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Yellow
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I heard of those people setting cars on fire through the news and it was also mentioned in school.
I also do think that the government should've foreseen that from what I have heard about the situation of those immigrants. I believe, and correct me if I'm mistaken, that they have no chance to get a proper job as they do not speak french too well and they are thus abused to make the "dirty jobs" for the french, meaning jobs that no one else wants to do e.g. in huge factories under bad conditions.
I understand that there is much anger as a result and that those people have restrained this anger for generations. Consequently, such an outbreak could have been foreseen.
But I do not think that setting cars on fire will change anything. Of course, on doing this, they want to demonstrate their Power to the Government, but I don't think that the Government will give in to them either. By trying to make living conditions better for them, they do unnecessary damage and make it perhaps even worse.
I'd like to know what the others think.So, please, join into the conversation!
And please correct my mistakes if you find some.
Greets Yellow |
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MI
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| Verfasst am: 12. Nov 2005 19:13 Titel: |
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Well, your information basically is correct. Certainly, it is true that the people need work. But the problem usually is not the language (because most of the people there come from former French colonies), but the low skill of these people. Most of them have not had a decent education and therefore, they are only able to work in these factories - or not work at all.
The second problem of these people is, as far as I am not mistaken, that the number of jobs in these low-skill sectors is very low (like in Germany. But this development is easily explained. With the further industrialization and mechanization of a country, the share in employment of the tertiary and quartenary sector of industry become more and more important and most jobs in these industries require a decent amount of skill and education, which most people don't have there).
So I think that you need to give the people chances to DO something and, above all, to EDUCATE themselves, because many fail to do so during their time at the state-run establishments which call themselves "schools".
This is why I think that the people who do have a job in any kind of factory are not the ones most likely to become aggressive - however, I perfectly agree that the working conditions sometimes are too low.
I also agree on your point that some people want to show the government with their actions that they exist and have power, but I have one questions. I do not quite understand your phrase "By trying to make living conditions better for them, they do unnecessary damage and make it perhaps even worse" really, would you mind to explain this further and perhaps give an illustrating example?
Greetz
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Yellow
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| Verfasst am: 13. Nov 2005 13:20 Titel: |
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| Zitat: | | I also agree on your point that some people want to show the government with their actions that they exist and have power, but I have one questions. I do not quite understand your phrase "By trying to make living conditions better for them, they do unnecessary damage and make it perhaps even worse" really, would you mind to explain this further and perhaps give an illustrating example? |
With that phrase I wanted to say that, for example by setting cars on fire, those people want to force the government to give in to them and to improve their working conditions or education. Of course, they fail to do so, but end up only doing unnecessary damage and perhaps agitating the government or other people against themselves.
Do you now know what I meant to say? And do you agree?
Thanks for your information about the immigrants not being well-educated. Now I can understand their anger better because they don't even get a chance to apply for better jobs. They've just been ignored too long by the government. Of course that doesn't justify senseless destruction of other peoples' possessions.
I'm sorry that there are not more people joining in on our conversation 
Perhaps we should try and find another subject that's of everybody's interest.
MI, do you have an idea?
Greets Yellow |
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MI
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| Verfasst am: 13. Nov 2005 17:08 Titel: |
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| Yellow hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | With that phrase I wanted to say that, for example by setting cars on fire, those people want to force the government to give in to them and to improve their working conditions or education. Of course, they fail to do so, but end up only doing unnecessary damage and perhaps agitating the government or other people against themselves. |
Silly me... 
I thought that you meant the government with "they" - and that would not have made any sence, would it?
And of course, I agree with you on that point.
Well however, it's really a pity that nobody else is joining in our little conversation, because that normally is a topic with lots of different opinions.
A different topic? Like I said, everybody can complain - or not complain - about school, perhaps we take something from this field of topics? However, it should be specified, but I can't think of any topic in particular that has to do with school and concerns (at least) the whole of Germany.
I'll think about it...
Greets
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Yellow
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| Verfasst am: 19. Nov 2005 16:00 Titel: |
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Hi everyone!
I'm really sorry that I haven't written for a long days...I've had lots of stress with school tests lately.
I can't think of a topic for everyone as well. But it came to my mind that as this is the english board we could discuss a bit about the subject english in school. How do you like it? is your teacher good? What topics do you discuss in class?...and so on.
What do you think about that?
I really hope that it's not only MI and me who are writing here in the future...
Greets Yellow |
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ale
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| Verfasst am: 04. Feb 2006 14:29 Titel: |
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hey, I´m back... 
how are you?
I´m happy to be here back. ( I think it is a bad sentence, isn´t it?)
see ya
ale |
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Ulli
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| Verfasst am: 04. Feb 2006 18:09 Titel: |
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| ale hat Folgendes geschrieben: | hey, I´m back...
how are you?
I´m happy to be here back. ( I think it is a bad sentence, isn´t it?)
see ya
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Hi ale 
Haven't read from you for ages.... Glad you're back. 
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LG Ulli
Tomorrow is often the busiest day of the week.
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ACH
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| Verfasst am: 05. Feb 2006 01:25 Titel: |
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I most respectfully invite you to post in any of the Off-Topic "Favourite artist/etc. topics" to get the conversation going again.
So long,
ACH
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| ale hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | I´m happy to be here back. ( I think it is a bad sentence, isn´t it?) |
The word order is off: it should be "...back here" or simply just "...back" with "here" just being implied by the fact that you're posting here !.
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A Stór Mo Chroí, when you're far away//Far from the land you'll be leaving, // It's many a time by night and by day// That your heart will be sorely grieving.
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MI
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| Verfasst am: 05. Feb 2006 11:01 Titel: |
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then let me say re-hello, too  !
I will hopefully have more time to join the conversations here in the future... |
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ale
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| Verfasst am: 05. Feb 2006 20:08 Titel: |
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thanks for your messages and thanks to ACH for your correction.
ale |
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