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Of course the translation of a novel can hardly ever be as good as the original novel, that is a known fact. Yet, do not criticize professional literary translators too much since their job can be very tough. Studying translation myself (not literary translation though), I know it is anything but child's play.  |
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I never had the intention to critizise the translators . We must not forget how important their job is to give us the opportunity of reading a different culture's literature, when we don't understand their language.
I mean, I myself profit a lot from their work. There is so much interesting literature written in languages I don't understand that it would be a shame if I had no access to these authors via translation.
Perhaps I should emphazise the fact that most translations are not bad, mostly they are very good - but the original is even better. And - as you also say - that is only natural.
By the way, if you allow me a question: What sort of translation are you studying if not literary translation? Simultaneous translation or translation between parties at international meetings, etc.? |
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@MI: I guess what you meant is interpreting (or "Dolmetschen" in German), but what I meant by translation was translating written material. So far I've only done general translations, but I will have to deal with technical translations next semester as well. |
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(...)My mates normally say im stupid 'cause i read all books in English.
Right now im reading The Lord of the Rings and it's way better than the German Translation. You get deeper into the story and everything is better.
And about HP7 and the other HP books. Actually for me they werent that hard to understand. In my opinion also a 5th grader could read them.(...)
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about the mates: ma friends say the same to me. They ask me whether I'm crazy.
after the 10th page of the german transltion of TLoTR I fall asleep.... and that's something very unusual happens to me.
Well I would say that you can read the 1st and the 2nd HP in 5th grade. The others are a little bit hard to understand if you just had english for 2 years and some elementary schools even don't teach english. They teach french.
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Well, I wouldn't say it's crazy to read books in foreign languages. It really helps you to learn specific idioms and to improve your own style. So it's not crazy to read English books, but it's lazy not to do so. |
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| Jack hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | Well, I wouldn't say it's crazy to read books in foreign languages. It really helps you to learn specific idioms and to improve your own style. So it's not crazy to read English books, but it's lazy not to do so. |
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| Jack hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | Well, I wouldn't say it's crazy to read books in foreign languages. It really helps you to learn specific idioms and to improve your own style. So it's not crazy to read English books, but it's lazy not to do so. |
I know this for myself. It's just that my mates arent in that opinion, but i don't care what they say, i write good tests and they wonder why they write bad ones if they learn more than i do.
Point for me
ok chocolate maybe the 5,6,7 book is a bit harder but my cousin who is 12 read the first 5 books in english and he understood them quite well.
Maybe its how you care for understanding it. |
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| Jack hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | @MI: I guess what you meant is interpreting (or "Dolmetschen" in German), but what I meant by translation was translating written material. So far I've only done general translations, but I will have to deal with technical translations next semester as well. |
Yeah, I could think neither of the German, nor the English word, but that was, what I meant. But thank you for telling me, what you are doing.
@Lord of the Rings:
Yes, the English version is far better - but also because parts of the appendices are left out in the German translation (the parts, which tell you about the fate of the Hobbit companions of Frodo, how often Samwise becomes Lord Mayor, the genealogy of the Hobbits etc. I have not seen a version that comprises these things, yet). |
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@ Saliencia: I read the first 5 books in english when I was 12, too.
I read them in english 'cause I was in the USA when I was 12 over the summer holidays and it was quite boring over there at the house of my aunt.
and for me they weren't hard to understand. but well... I was already in the 8th grade and not in the 5th or in the 7th like your cousin, I guess.
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Well, I read HP1-5 in english, too. And I think it was quite easy, the vocabulary isn't that hard and the structure as well.
In my opinion it's really important to read books in foreign languages, because you improve not only your vocabulary, but sentence structures and phrases, too. And I think it's really more fun to read them, because you are more concentrated on what you're reading and what are the characters or the narrator's telling you. It's even more intensive! |
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I read all the books in english and I read the 7th the day it was published.
oh and muetzli, it's also about how old you are. If you're older of course it's easier for you.
I read english books because I like the story and not because I want to know something about the grammar or sentence structure. when I read the sentence I don't aks myself how the sentence structure is.
And I don't know what you mean when you say you're more concentrated when you read the books in english. Aren't you concentrated when you're reading a story in german?
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Wow, do you call that small talk? Anyways, I find it quiet interesting what your talking about rihgt now.
I read my first english book when I was 14. Coz' I thought it was cool or something.
I believe someone who's not a native speaker certainly is more concentrated reading an english book since you don't want to miss any important detail.
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@chocolate: Maybe it's a difference if you're sitting here in good ol' Germany trying to learn English on your own, or if your visiting your aunt in the US. That something to envy you for.  |
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Sorry to chime in at random, but I am currently trying to relieve the boredom caused by excess studying (Chemistry, if you must know).
I believe I have voiced my opinion on this before, but I while I also tend to favour the original text, reading a well-made translation is not that bad - and if your grasp of the original language is not good, then you are probably better off reading a translation (in terms of fully understanding the text, that is - if you want to practice then so be it).
I would point out that, for example, the German translation of LOTR is quite good (the one I have, at any rate).
Last, but not least (and before I go back to my Chemistry) - what books are people reading at the moment ? I am currently reading "Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea" by J.Verne but obviously that's not an English book. The most recent English text I have read would have to be "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" which is an amazing graphic novel.
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THe only english book I'm reading is "Physics of semiconductor devices", but that might not be suitable to discuss |
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I did, in fact, mean to restrict my query to fictional texts. Otherwise I'd have to say I am 'reading' "Statistical Mechanics" (K.Huang), "Organic Chemistry" (Clayden, Greeves, Warren and Wothers) but that's besides the point.
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Well I read my first english book when I was 10. that was in class 5.
My last book in english was a love story - of course - 'Natural born charmer' written by Susan Elizabeth Phillips.
And the next book I want to read is the autobiographie of Barack Obama 'cause I think it's quite interesting.
@ACH: I also read "Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea" by J.Verne" in german. I think it's a french book 'cause Jules Verne was a frenchman.
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I have just finished "V for Vendetta" - obviously an English book (unfortunately I haven't got the original comic, yet) and I reread "Rhinocéros" from Ionesco (I've got it in French and German) for some project of mine. At the moment I am "only" reading Faust Part Two, but I am thinking of buying "The three Musketeers", as this is also some classic book I want to read...
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The translation of LOTR is - as most translations - very good (I mean, they even translated the poetry into poetry, which is quite difficult), but as far as I know, it is not complete.
At least in the German version that I posses, some Appendices are missing (as described above)... |
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Yes, I agree "V for Vendetta" is excellent - funnily enough, it was also written/drawn by the same people who made the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (the graphical novel was, at any rate).
Jules Verne was indeed a French author (one I happen to like very much). One of the most fascinating things about his books is the view of science-fiction that is portrayed there - namely 19th century sci-fi. Quite different from current scifi I must say, and very amusing.
By the way, do you know about http://www.freerice.com ? It's quite an entertaining way of improving your vocabulary, although it does get repetitive if you do it too much.
Anyway, I best get back to my Chemistry.
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(...)By the way, do you know about http://www.freerice.com ? It's quite an entertaining way of improving your vocabulary, although it does get repetitive if you do it too much. (...) |
well when I read 'era' as the first word I've got to think of spanish...
el indefinido de 'ser'....
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e' anche l'imperfetto di 'esssere' in Italiano ;D.
EDIT: fix infinitive-> imperfect.
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lol
well I don't speak Italian. Only English, German, Spanish and Vietnamese.
And what languages do you speak?
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| ACH hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | By the way, do you know about http://www.freerice.com ? It's quite an entertaining way of improving your vocabulary, although it does get repetitive if you do it too much. |
Never heard of it, but it seems very good, thanks! |
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Still wondering if they really donate rice though |
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Of course, but even if they aren't, it's an interesting site.
And honestly: Even 35.000.000.000 grains of rice can't be very much - I mean how many grains to a pound? I think I once read there are 50.000 grains to a kilo - makes 700.000 kilos or 700 tons a month. The usual price for rice is about 200€ a ton (a lot more at the moment). That makes 140.000€ a month, which is a large sum, but could really be generated by advertizing, presuming that many thousands of players play that game. |
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| MI hat Folgendes geschrieben: | Of course, but even if they aren't, it's an interesting site.
And honestly: Even 35.000.000.000 grains of rice can't be very much - I mean how many grains to a pound? I think I once read there are 50.000 grains to a kilo - makes 700.000 kilos or 700 tons a month. The usual price for rice is about 200€ a ton (a lot more at the moment). That makes 140.000€ a month, which is a large sum, but could really be generated by advertizing, presuming that many thousands of players play that game. |
I think that's the point = they generate ad revenue and use it to donate rice. To quote their FAQ
"FreeRice is not sitting on a pile of rice―you are earning it 20 grains at a time. Here is how it works. When you play the game, sponsor banners appear on the bottom of your screen. The money generated by these banners is then used to buy the rice. So by playing, you generate the money that pays for the rice donated to hungry people."
@choc: besides German and English (duh!) I 'only' speak Italian fluently, though in my mind that constitutes inappropriate use of the word only...
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| ACH hat Folgendes geschrieben: |
@choc: besides German and English (duh!) I 'only' speak Italian fluently, though in my mind that constitutes inappropriate use of the word only... |
oh okay.
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| chocolate4ever hat Folgendes geschrieben: |
oh okay. |
I was expecting a slightly more elaborate response after you asked me so poignantly....
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This Thread is great |
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Gargy
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Hi, noob, everything great? Let's small talk! *g* |
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hi
not everything, but the most is fine
uah, I have to learn Vocabulary 
greetings |
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Gargy
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and did you solve a major physical problem lately? |
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yes
Theoretical Physics becomes a kind of hate and love at the same time
I bought the nolting a few Minutes ago Now I am very intrested how I will like it, or not
In which Period of the study are you?
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Gargy
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4th semester. (you are 2nd?)
which nolting did you buy? the 1st, 2nd, 3rd?
Theoretical physics is not as worse as i thought it would be, but - as you said - I love and hate it at the same time.
| noob hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | Now I am very intrested how I will like it, or not |
Guess, it's "whether I will like it or not". I don't want to play the teacher  , just thought it might be helpful to get rid of these mistakes. |
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| Gargy hat Folgendes geschrieben: |
| noob hat Folgendes geschrieben: | | Now I am very intrested how I will like it, or not |
Guess, it's "whether I will like it or not". I don't want to play the teacher , just thought it might be helpful to get rid of these mistakes. |
Gargy, it's great that you correct our mistakes!
well
do you already have summer holidays?
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Sorry, I'm a nerd. No, I don't have holidays yet. Do you? |
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muetzli
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Haha, I do. Since yesterday!
Just want to let you know |
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Gargy
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But mine will last until the beginnging of october ... |
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actually my holiday started a 9 days ago an last probably until october... just to let you guys know... and dont be jaleous... |
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chocolate4ever
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I've got one more month of school and a lot of tests. Worse luck!
And what are you doing during your holidays?
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wow..one more month, I guess I would die. I am so happy, no more school.
well, I wont drive abroad or something at least. that sucks. but the weather isnt that bad, so I can go swimming or doing something else, otherwise I would probably die  furthermore I have to learn for school, because of the honour classes and so on, its going to be harder every year..well, not at all, but I am really nervous about the next year.
well, do you have something planned for your holidays? |
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